So from now on, when I use the term "offical explanation", you know what I'm referring to. I will also refer to the culprit of the official explanation as Shannon rather than Yasu. This is to avoid confusion later on, which will become clear later in the video.
So now we have clear what the official explanation of Umineko is supposed to be, I will tell you what my position is. I believe that the official explanation is a lie. Yes, you heard that correctly. I believe that the author, Ryukishi, is deceiving his readers into believing a false explanation. Now that's a pretty bold statement, but I will make yet another bold statement. I can prove beyond reasonable doubt that the official explanation is a deception.
In other words, I am strongly convinced that Ryukishi is trying to deceive his readers into believing that Shannon and Kanon are the same person, that Shannon is the same person as Yasu, and therefore Shannon is Beatrice and the true culprit. In other words, I believe that it is false that Shannon and Kanon are the same person. It is false that Shannon is the same person as Yasu.
That it's false that Shannon is Beatrice. That it's false that Shannon is the true culprit. That it's false that Yasu is an actual existing human being who has ever been really present on the island or anywhere else. And, of course, that I can prove that all these things are false. I want to make it very clear that it's not my position that the author made a mistake, so I am not claiming that Ryukishi really meant the Shkanontrice explanation to be the truth behind the story, that he simply made a mistake, making the official explanation inconsistent with the facts found in the story itself.
I don't believe for a second that someone as brilliant as Ryukishi would make such a mistake. My position is that Ryukishi is purposely deceiving the readers about what the truth behind the story is supposed to be.
Just like the Umineko story, for the most part, consists of the author deceiving his readers, I believe that he's continuing his deception until the very end of the story, and even in interviews. Now I perfectly well understand how controversial and unorthodox it is to go against the author himself.
But I ask you all to have an open mind here and just to be willing to at least consider this possibility, and I think you have two good reasons for being open-minded about this possibility.
Think about it. The vast majority of the Umineko story is about the author deceiving the readers. After all, none of the magical scenes truly take place. It's all about seeing the truth beyond the illusion of magic. So even though it might be hard to imagine the author keeping his deception going until the very end of the story, and even in interviews, it is at least something that should be considered. But, of course, the first reason why you should be skeptical towards my claim that Ryukishi is lying is that you cannot imagine why he would do such a thing.
However, I will not go into Ryukishi's motives for lying until very late in the video. This may seem strange, but I have the following reason for doing that.
Since my position will be regarded as "blasphemy" by many fans of Umineko who also believe that the official explanation really is the truth, most people will not want to consider the possibility that they might have been deceived into believing a false explanation. But the only way I think it would be possible to break through such a barrier is to demonstrate that the official explanation is necessarily false and incoherent.
Because unless I show some massive amount of evidence that the official explanation has to be wrong in the first place and then put an alternative explanation in its place, that does account for all the facts in the story, unless I do that first, I don't think that any of you will believe me in the first place. Most of you will probably think that I'm crazy anyway for going against the author himself and most of you think that the evidence for the official explanation is extremely strong.
So I will first have to focus on disproving the official explanation, and once I've broken it down to the ground, I will build up a new theory in its place that is possible, plausible, coherent, is consistent with all red statements and all circumstantial evidence, accounts for the whodunit, howdunit, and whydunit, accounts for how the Yasu character, accounts for how the murders relate to Battler's sin against Shannon, and is "elegant".
What I mean by the term "elegant" is a theory that relies on as few, and provable, assumptions as possible. It also doesn't incorporate arbitrary accomplices without evidence. It also doesn't attempt to "work around" the meaning of red statments. In other words, the red statments are taken at face value. They simply mean what they say, without doublespeak. In other words, the theory is judged by the red statements, instead of being the judge of how the red statments are to be interpreted.
The second one is an unreasonable way of handling the red, in my opinion. However, if you believe in the official explanation, you are essentially forced to do this. This is true, every one of the 18 supposedly on the island was good.
Battler can say this because Ange was the evil killer. Battler wants Ange to forget her past so that she can move on with her life. Ange only ever cares about Battler, while a good girl should care about her whole family. She claims that she only has her hair tie as a vessel for Battler, and Battler is the only one she can revive. Yeah right! She claims that she sinned against Maria, and that she had played a role in that tragedy.
Because she really did! She gains the title of Beatrice even in , even though she thinks magic is bullshit. She also claims to be the last Beatrice. The rumours say that Beatrice killed everyone. What does this all mean? She really was Beatrice on the island.
Erika is obsessed with Battler and wants to be together with him for eternity. She kills everyone in the fake murder game in EP6 and has the title of Witch of Truth. Ange also gains this title. Why is that? Erika is a personality of Ange!
It still works! Supposedly Bern was able to transport Ange to the airport in Because she really was there! Battler was able to transport Ange into Rokkenjima in EP8.
Bern tortures Meta-Ange and turns her into mince meat over and over. This is her guilty conscience acting up. What could be worse than her parents being the killers? The fact that she herself was the killer! In the ending Battler take a dive off a cliff following Beatrice.
Beatrice states that she belongs to the world of illusions. That was genius. Anyway, I have enjoyed the series up to this point and maybe I really needed to transition to this solution instead of being slammed with it all of the sudden before I finished the game. WTF solutions are obviously no stranger to this game, but I can't quite get over this one.
I assume there was some stuff in between all of this that would have helped the game to make more sense because from what I saw in the question arcs, it doesn't. I'm going to have to take a break from this and come back to it.
I'm so ticked off right now. Last edited by jkly ; 23 Feb, pm. Originally posted by jkly :. Last edited by Battler Ushiromiya ; 24 Feb, am. LOL, I knew I was going to get a response like this after looking some of this up and seeing how feverishly people are defending their different theories to the point of personally insulting each other.
You may very well be right and I'm just not getting it. I acknowledged that possibility. I NEED to read the rest of it. Like I said, I liked it or I wouldn't have put forward 50 plus hours to read it. However, this game has made me extremely angry right now and you just sound like a butthurt fanatic.
I feel like I was just accused of blasphemy. You made me want to walk away from it even more. If you'd kept it polite, the way you started out, I would have been way more interested in what you have to say. Last edited by jkly ; 24 Feb, pm. I admitted that I didn't know the entire story and I needed to keep reading it in order for it to maybe make more sense.
I even said I like the story up that point. As of now, the solution still sounds ludicrous to me. Sorry if that offends you. I would like to see some clues in there supporting this, but the question arc is filled with misleading dialogue held with people who are already dead and who don't really exist. The red text is really all they give you. Most of it is just metaphorical filler that has little bearing on reality.
That's where my frustration comes from. I see what you're saying, but I disagree. The only thing that really makes sense to me with the murderer being Yasu is how Kinzo got out of his locked study without disturbing the receipt in the door. Like I said, I liked the story. In every chapter, the events between the first twilight and the 8th twilight had me on the edge of my seat.
I even put the Question arc in my favorites folder after I finished playing it. Is it a good story? Is it a good mystery story? IMO, no. How is it possible to piece it together in the first four episdoes? At the end of episode 4, maybe, because they finally inform us that Kinzo is actually dead and that the person the six met with was someone who may have assumed the role of the Head in Kinzo's place. The other hint that I thought was semi-charitable was Kanon's body disappearing.
However, they do that only in episode 2 and 4. Although there's no real evidence his body disappeared in chapter 4, since the grate to the well was locked and Battler couldn't see down inside it. However, we were told by Kyrie that both Shannon and Kanon were with them and where their bodies would be found. So now we either assume that Kyrie is being held with some sort of weapon against her throat forcing her to lie or that the events happened in a way that metaphorically resembled what she saw and told us.
And Yasu was sure busy again, running after Kyrie, holding her hostage with some sort of weapon, creating locked room puzzles left and right, locking the grate to the well and dressing up as Beatrice to confront Batller and then dressing up as Shannon again, doing something to her head to make it look like half of it was smashed and then playing dead in the rain until Batller found the "corpse.
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